Hmm…looking at Owen Taylor’s XR example and I realize that unless Fresco becomes usable and usable quickly it’s going to be blindsided by X. There doesn’t seem to be any urgency on part of the Fresco developers about this tho :( I will try and work harder. X is improving (albeit slowly) and its architecture is hung off by extensions and not the best considering what we know, but unless Fresco exploits that with something that’s workable and _looks good_ before the long hyped XFree86 5.0 the chance might be lost forever. And don’t believe what the X people say – there _are_ problems with X. And its not flaming or being stupid to say that. I hate you Allen.